I"m 50 plus some years old, and in I came of age in the 60's and70's, which means I've seen a lot of crazy food fads come and go. Does anyone remember the word "Macrobiotic"? This diet, popular back then among the insane, promised to balance your yin and yang if only you did things like avoid eating food with any flavor. Children of macrobiotic parents would often scarf down hamburgers and ice cream as soon as they were away from home, their bodies desperate for nourishment and the forbidden. And of course, like all diets that promise to balance you out, the practitioners were all drug addicts or the most neurotic screwballs you could ever hope to meet. There was a well-known macrobiotic East Village restaurant, The Cauldron, and the staff were all outpatients. I wll say, they did make the best soba noodles I ever ate, if that counts for anything. You don't hear much about macrobiotic these days, but many macrobiotic ideas are still around. Another popular nut diet involved a long chart of what foods shouldn't be mixed together. I don't know what this was called, but many painfully thin women in the 70s would tack this long list on their refrigerators. Again, another way to remove pleasure from the culinary experience.
Of course, everyone knows a vegetarian or too, many of whom eat fish or chicken. I have no quarrel if you wish to avoid meat, but vegetarians aren't vegetarians because of animal empathy, most do it to feel superior to us lowly meat eaters. Walk into a steakhouse, and the overwhelming mood is of joy, comradery, and happiness. Walk into a vegetarian place, and it's a funeral parlor, the eaters solemnly bent over their plate of bean sprouts, tofu, and whatever else has no taste (if this isn't true, why do vegetarians try to create dishes that mimic meat?). "I don't enjoy this," they probably mumble, "but I it makes me superior to everybody else." I recall eating at Angelica's in the East Village years ago, a high temple of these beliefs, and asking the waitress for some lemon. "We don't do lemon here," she replied haughtily. I apologized for daring to ask for something that might add some taste to my food..
Vegetarianism is also a cheap way to be noticed. You're throwing a party, and you think, "Oh, I'll make a chicken salad for everyone," then you realize, "Oh wait, X is a vegetarian." Vegans are even more annoying, some going so far to not eat honey. "Bee slavery" they call bee farms. Go fuck yourself. If there's any field that doesn't hurt the animals being cultivated, it's harvesting honey. It's in the interest of the harvester to hope his bees flourish. Taking honey doesn't hurt the bees, doesn't kill them, so what is the problem? Vegan women often have problems dating, because let's face it, a guy who says, "Oh, does that have gluten? I'm allergic" is probably not a guy you want to date.
The most extreme food cult is of course the raw foodists. A friend of mine converted to this religion years ago, and a more hapless sorry bunch of morons it'd be harder to find. First, the idea of raw food is ridiculous. Many foods require heat to make them edible, and even signal desireability through cooking. Broccoli is a pale green, but when cooked, turns a beautiful vivacious green, and the chemical that's good for you in tomatoes is only released through cooking. Also, there's no culture that doesn't cook. I can't think of any society based on raw food at all. Even the most primitive tribes have fire, and a way to cook. Also, like all food cults, they make idiotic claims for themselves. It cures cancer, it cures athlete's foot, you won't age, etc. etc. If somebody wants to eat raw food, go ahead, but don't make pumped up bullshit unproveable claims, or invent theories. I love pork, but I don't claim any mystical properties for it, I just like it.
For years, vegetarians used to justify their diet with the animal kingdom. "Chimps don't eat meat," they'd say, but then it turned out not only do chimps eat meat, they wage war on each other and cannibalize their neighbors. Okay, not such a good example. Then they used dolphins, but it turns out dolphins eat each other too. Here's a word to the wise: animals are pretty diverse, you can find a species to shore up any argument. Monogamous animals, sexually perverse animals, celibate, whatever. It doesn't prove anything about humans. In the 60's there was a famous study of rats & overcrowding. Apparently, they became neutotic, masturbated, etc. This was supposed to show something about humans in cities, but even as a kid, I said, "Well, now scientists know a lot about how rats behave if rats lived in crowded apartments, but they don't. And notice, rat brain, size of a pea. Human brain, a bit bigger.'
Another religious aspect to being a raw foodie is the cleanse, an idea that's a hallmark of most food nuts. Either through fasting or some elaborately unpleasant diet, you're supposed to get the toxins out of your body. Obviously, none of these people took elementary biology. People who do these claim years of crap gets flushed out of their systems. But the stomach digests food by breaking it down with hydrochloric acid. In mad scientist movies, the vat of acid with the huge skull and crossbones, is either sulfuric or hydrochloric, and this acid is what attacks your food. Unless you've been eating metal or glass, nothing stays in your body for years. The intestines use bacteria to further break down food, take out what the body needs, and what's left is pushed out as waste. Getting colonics, anothr food nut belief, is actually harmful, because they flush out the necessary flora the intestines need to do their job. If you want things to flush normally, drink lots of water.
But raw foodists are always cleansing, and falling off the wagon, because I think the body rebels against so boring a diet. And then it really is like Christian Science: if you die, it's not because disease doesn't give a fuck how you pray, and Christian Science is dead wrong, it's because you didn't believe enough. So my friend has been cleansing for years, constantly backtracking, and constantly starting again. She thinks it'll cure her asthma. That fact that she's been eating raw food for years, and it hasn't changed her breathing isn't a fault in the diet, it's because she's not rigorous enough in following the true path.
Americans seem to enjoy any cult that removes pleasure from simple human activities. Eating, sex, walking, whatever, there's some doctor or theory to drain the pleasure out of it. I recall a study saying you shouldn't drink cold liquid, it shocks the system. Maybe if you're a neurasthenic, but I love cold liquid. I store a glass in my freezer, permanently filled with ice cubes. Cold water is a genuine pleasure to me. Now I'm supposed to give this up too? Anything that causes pleasure for it's own sake seems to make Americans nervous. Perhaps that's why so many glom on to these rigorous diets, founded not on good culinary principles, but vague wackjob theories.
Quite frankly, even if you could prove that eating uncooked food makes you immortal, I'm not giving up the pleasures of a well grilled steak, a juicy hamburger, a porkchop, or a nice broiled piece of fish. If you can, more power to you, and have a nice life.
Monday, June 18, 2007
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hello gorilla bob, i came here via alicublog and i thought that you might enjoy this piece from mcsweeney's about vegans: http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2005/4/18gray.html it's pretty excellent. i am a secret vegetarian, and i hate vegans too. most of the time.
Uhhrrrrk! I ate "macrobiotic" food one night in Paris in 1969, and was seriously ill all the next day. The food itself had all the unappetizing, and none of the appetizing, aspects of Japanese cuisine.
Thanks for the memory.
Metafilter had a tremendous discussion thread on the colon-cleanse racket a few months back. I laughed until I nearly cleansed myself inadvertently, but I warn you: Many of the links in the original post are truly disgusting. But if you walk it like you talk it, maybe not so bad.
RE: colon cleansing. As Bugs Bunny would say. "Too gruesome!"
I lost a good friend to Veganism. She was angry I was feeding my 9 month old child eggs, and was horrified that I had her eating solid foods, as she believed that an infants sole source of nutrition for the entire first year of life should be breast milk. She has no children. I knew her for 10 years, and of course she's also "master cleansing" to lose weight. In my opinion, food is just another thing for people to become pretentious about.
not all of us are trying to be ethically supperior to society.we just see how much the meat industry has changed in america since the 1950's and we dont think this is right.thats it.we are protesting something we dissagree, with isn't that what america is supposed to be about?life liberty and the persute of happiness. the animals natural life functions were compromised for the benifit of a few buisness men.and if u look at the fact in factory farms i think most people would agree with me.its fine if u want to eat ur hamburger or steak in my opinion(some vegans dissagree with me there)and thats fine thats there opinion.i just feel like people will never stop eating meat they should just look at the discusting condistions the animals are kept in.truly repulsive.we wouldnt wish these conditions upon our worst enemys.also 9/10 of the grain grown in the U.S. is fed to animals for food.how about using that grain for feeding starving people?what an idea!you cant deny the facts people.its not about being better than you.
I agree that many animals are miserably treated on farms, which is why I try to buy small farm, organic or free range products. I think we should respect the food we eat, whatever form it takes. It's obvious free range organic chickens look way better than Purdue or Tyson's. But you still prove my point about Vegans. Your note is like a lecture to the naughty kids.
Well first of all shakin veg, the animal's "natural life functions" were compromised in order to feed a hungry and growing nation. These are domesticated animals selectively bred over the course of many decades in order to provide food. Thanks to the advances of science and modern agriculture we are able to feed all those poor people that you pine for.
Also, animals aren't pumped full of antibiotics and chemicals. That's just plain bullshit. chemicals cost money, and they are used sparingly (also the USFDA has very stringent guidelines on the types of chemicals allowed in food animals, and the withdrawal period before they are allowed to be sold for slaughter). I guess your research skills are commensurate with your ability to form a grammatically proper sentence.
"Free range" and "organic" is nothing more than clever marketing. Companies can charge exorbitant prices for a product, that in reality, isn't any more healthy or "clean" than the regular stuff.
And finally, you don't really expect anyone to believe that scatology about 9/10 of all grain produced in the US being fed to animals do you? I mean, common sense alone should fire off the bullshit meter on that one. Actually, it's more like half the total tonnage of grain production in the US; However, even that doesn't tell the whole story. A lot of the grains used in feed production are remnants or reconstituted grain products. In other words, not suitable for human consumption. If you want to bitch about something keeping grain out of the mouths of poor and starving people go carp to the idiots pushing ethanol as an alternative fuel source. It's very inefficient, and has caused price spikes in everything from the cost of catfish feed in Mississippi to tortillas in Mexico.
-enjoy your tofu
Well, this is an oldie but a goodie!
I read all the posts after my last, and I'm still laughing! Let's all just be thankful we HAVE food to be so picky and self-righteous about!
No one should really care about what another person eats so much that you attack another person's sense of self worth. Humans are OMIVORES. There's no getting around that -- and if you want to jam pills down your throat to make up for the vitamin deficiencies and eat vegetables because it makes YOU feel better about yourself, go right ahead. But don't get in someone's face about it because it's what YOU believe. Same goes for religion, sexual preference, and politics.
And I'm sure Shankin' can't spell because her brain lacks the proper nutrients to form a grammatically correct sentence...
(Sorry I couldn't resist!)
For every meat a vegan doesn't eat I will eat twice the meat for them. I am adopting a vegan by eating what they don't eat. That way the meat doesn't feel left out whenever some mis-informed vegan decides to ignore an important food group. It's like food discrimination. It should be a crime to discriminate food! And how dare they harp at us for eating meat. They themselves are eating the food that my meat is eating. Seriously vegans should be made a laughing stock. Veggies is what food eats!
Amen. Nothing gets me more annoyed than a vegan preaching to me about their no-guilt life.
Funny, I don't feel so guilty about eating a delicious brisket.....
I totally agree with gorilla bob...however the person who states that organic meat is not different or safer hasn't done ANY research. Organic meat not only has more nutrients in it, it has a better taste. Chemicals DO affect us to some degree so I would rather be safe than sorry.
Omnivores like the ones here are the reason I feel the way I do about humans. I won’t try to convince you to change your ways; what you do with your life is your business. Food is just food, right? When you are no longer at the top of the food chain, you will see what I mean. Human flesh will be the delicacy, and it couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch. I would think most vegans don’t become vegan to claim superiority over omnivores; I think most do it because they do not like being a part of the superiority mentality of humans. They’re just animals to you, and you speak about superiority.
You people can despise vegans, but at least they’re trying to reduce the aggression and imposingness of their own lives. If you don’t care that your pleasure of eating meat comes at the expense of another, then you show your character. Enjoy your society while you still can. I am letting you continue your imposing ways because I don’t want to be the aggressor you all are, but I have decided that I don’t mind being an aggressor with human aggressors. Your god may try to help you, but know one can save you from your fate. I will enjoy seeing the end of your human society. The time to move the animals out of their cages is near; human omnivores will take their place.
Satevifer says your jealousy of vegans is humorous to him/her. I love some omnivores; however, most human omnivores are in for a TASSSTE of their own medicine.
My use of the word delicacy is out of place in this case. Eating human flesh will not be a delicacy because it will be common practice. I just wanted to clarify.
Don’t do unto others what you don’t want done to you. Do unto other as you would have them do unto you. Get the picture?
Gee, your long-winded tome (complete with how you're going to eat us), and subsequent correction (just in case I, while understandably enrapt reading said tome, misunderstood something) really convinced me vegans are normal people.
Sadly there are many self-righteous "cool" vegans out there who can potentially do more harm than good for animals because there are many many MANY more omnivores in the world who will look for any little abnormality or inconsistency in vegan's lives that they know to justify their own lifestyle. That's what people do; how else would an omnivore who is educated about factory farming sleep at night?
I was raw for on and off for three years. The longest stretch was 18 months. I found it was good for 10 to 14 months but then became a big drag. It is true that raw food people do feel some what superior and better than cooked food people. I also thought, as people told me, that raw people are nice and easy to get along with. They are full of the right Karma. I found that however you were before raw, you will be the same while raw. So if you are a cooked food jerk, you will also be a raw food jerk. I still eat healthy, mostly unprocessed foods, but i now eat meat once or twice a week, raw milk and eggs every now and then. So I'm not wondering around figuring out what raw thing I can stick in my mouth to stave off hunger pains.
I was raw for on and off for three years. The longest stretch was 18 months. I found it was good for 10 to 14 months but then became a big drag. It is true that raw food people do feel some what superior and better than cooked food people. I also thought, as people told me, that raw people are nice and easy to get along with. They are full of the right Karma. I found that however you were before raw, you will be the same while raw. So if you are a cooked food jerk, you will also be a raw food jerk. I still eat healthy, mostly unprocessed foods, but i now eat meat once or twice a week, raw milk and eggs every now and then. So I'm not wondering around figuring out what raw thing I can stick in my mouth to stave off hunger pains.
I was raw for on and off for three years. The longest stretch was 18 months. I found it was good for 10 to 14 months but then became a big drag. It is true that raw food people do feel some what superior and better than cooked food people. I also thought, as people told me, that raw people are nice and easy to get along with. They are full of the right Karma. I found that however you were before raw, you will be the same while raw. So if you are a cooked food jerk, you will also be a raw food jerk. I still eat healthy, mostly unprocessed foods, but i now eat meat once or twice a week, raw milk and eggs every now and then. So I'm not wondering around figuring out what raw thing I can stick in my mouth to stave off hunger pains.
I was raw for on and off for three years. The longest stretch was 18 months. I found it was good for 10 to 14 months but then became a big drag. It is true that raw food people do feel some what superior and better than cooked food people. I also thought, as people told me, that raw people are nice and easy to get along with. They are full of the right Karma. I found that however you were before raw, you will be the same while raw. So if you are a cooked food jerk, you will also be a raw food jerk. I still eat healthy, mostly unprocessed foods, but i now eat meat once or twice a week, raw milk and eggs every now and then. So I'm not wondering around figuring out what raw thing I can stick in my mouth to stave off hunger pains.
This post is awesome. i hate how vegetarians eat imitation meat. i came across this poem and t-shirt:
I eat Vegans
For breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Some say cannabilism
Makes me a sinner.
But I say vegtables are people too.
So eat your veggies,
And I'll eat you.
http://www.shamplade.com/store_ver02/vegans.html
First off vegetarianism is not a diet fad. In todays society it may be used as such but then again some people stick their fingers down their throats to lose weight. People do stupid things these days. On the other hand there is evidence of vegetarianism that predates the birth of Christ. I know some veggies can be pretentious and demeaning to others and I don't agree with that. However, to generalize such a large group of people and decide to hate them is rather pretentious as well. There are some who treat it like a religeon and they often do not respect other peoples choices. Yet there are many that view it as a personal choice and nothing more. I often debate both sides in order to balance out the overwhelming misconceptions between the two parties. For instance, eating meat is not unhealthy but eating meat in excess can cause health problems. On the other hand removing meat from your diet can cause health problems if you don't supplement the nutrition. There are pros and cons to both sides and those can very depending on ones own personal experience and choice. Some people go veg for the enviroment and some buy only free range. Some go veg for health and some eat a balanced diet and exercise. Then you have the extremes of both that do tend to be somewhere out in left field. Look at teh adtkins diet for example. As far as silly diet fads go, I would put that somewhere in the same realm as the micrbiotic diet. In summation, problems occur when any two groups reach levels of extreme and then face off. This is evident in many aspects and especially in religeon. People put to much importance things and then they choose to get offended. Resulting in a debat such as this. What is sad is that this much energy could be put into a debate regarding food. Both parties should try going without and see if that doesn't change your tune a bit.
Actually honey is important for bees and we rely on bees for our very existence.
But, yes I agree on vegetarians. Killing plants also counts as killing life.
http://blog.targethealth.com/?p=58
Actually honey is important for bees and we rely on bees for our very existence.
But, yes I agree on vegetarians. Killing plants also counts as killing life.
I'm a vegan and for the life of me I can't figure out why meat eaters hate us so. I'm a very nice person. I'm not obnoxious about eating the way I do--I turned to veganism because of health problems (diabetes) and it has really made a difference--my A1c has dropped to below 7, my cholesterol is now at 110, last time I checked my blood pressure it was 108/74, and I've lost 75 pounds (still have a lot to go). Most people I know are meat eaters and they still like me even though they get tired of watching me eat salads (I LOVE salads and all vegetables except cucumbers).
There are many other reasons to stop eating meat--global poverty, cruelty to animals, global warming, pollution, but for me the health benefits are what make most people take notice. It's not a fad--you have to be very careful and eat correctly.
Most people are annoyed by vegans (or militant vegetarians) because they wear that shit on their sleeves constantly. Their entire existence is about how they do not eat meat. It is their identity. It is the same how a lot of homosexuals wear that shit on their sleeves, again it is their identity and they would not know who they were without it.
I eat meat and have sex with women but I do not broadcast this to anyone who will listen every chance I get. Neither make me who I am, they are just 'things' I do in the course of living.
Both sides have it wrong when it comes to the health reasons for deciding to be a vegan. It is not the food that is harmful but the amount that is ingested. Too much meat can contribute to adverse medical conditions but so can too much of anything. When I was in basic training for the US Air Force, another soldier died from too much water intake. That is right, too much WATER!
Here is a clue, no one gives a shit what you eat or who you have sex with, stop talking about it, stop building your self identity around these topics. I know many many vegetarians and every single one of them are consumed by this choice and allow it to affect every one around them. It is actually quite selfish.
I'm a vegan, I don't bring it up unless asked by friends normally; it's just food. I don't think I'm better than anyone else, I just don't enjoy eating products from animals. I don't see what there is to "hate" about that, it's food.
Hey I am vegan myself and I am not like those you say...I mean I think some human acts are not right and that stuff...but don't generalize. I have been in contact with annoying vegetarians and vegans too...and I'm vegan.
I don't think we should hate people, even if vegans are really asking for it.
I think there are more than 100 million cows in the US alone. If organizations like PETA had their way, what would come of them? They would most likely be put down, just like how PETA puts down abandoned pets it "rescues".
Humans, animals and plants exist in symbiosis... we depend on each other. But the vegans see the human-to-animal relationship like master and slave. Its not like that.
Large mammals such as cows, sheep and pigs benefit greatly from their relationship with people; people find them delicious or useful, and therefore make it possible for these animal species to flourish in a way the could never do on their own.
In New Zealand, there are 3 million people, and 22 million sheep. Are the people really the masters in that situation?
When you watch a dog owner pick up his dog's poop in the park every morning, and pay 1000s of dollars in veterinarian bills, is he really the master??
The human gets companionship, the dog gets care. It's a deal.
The human gets wool and meat. The sheep get food, shelter, medical care, protection. It's a bargain for them.
Anyway, we have destroyed the ancestral habitats of domesticated animals, so letting them free is hardly a solution from THEIR perspective.
And what was great about the "natural" state of such animals, anyway?
Have any of you ever seen a lion attack a zebra? Is that enjoyable for the zebra?
I eat only raw plant food myself, and I really don't care what other people eat as long as they're happy. boo-ya.
Oh, come on people!!! Can a bunch of adults honestly be this mature? I mean, you're cussing and insulting people like 2nd graders!! Bottom line: IT'S JUST FOOD!!! Obviously the guy who made this post is insecure, so he tries to make himself feel better by bashing anyone who does not support his way of life. Everyone who is joining in- GET OVER IT!! Don't stoop to his level. People have the right to eat whatever they want. Honestly, you adults should know better than to judge and insult people that you don't even KNOW, simply because of what they choose to EAT, and what they believe. Honestly, people are just getting worse and worse. I wonder what it will be like when I grow up... :(
I first read this and part of me wanted to make a long post quoting and refuting all of the blatantly incorrect and insensitive claims made. I'm not going to bother, because I don't even think the author would listen. I will just say this: Becoming vegan takes a great deal of courage and strength and those who take the challenge on should be praised for doing something positive for themselves, the environment, and animals.
If a vegans excuse for not eating meat is to respect life and nature because it has feelings, then stop eating plants too.
Plants may have a conscious, plants may feel pain and torture when you chainsaw their guts out. No one really knows.
If you want to truly respect everything don't eat at all, and starve to death.
Oh yes thats such a fabulous philisophy my vegan friends. Get real.
One thing eats another. Humans are food for something bigger, just as our food is to us.
If you have any kind of consideration for the 'animals' you will use the product instead of letting it's death go to waste. Kill it, eat it. Don't throw it out.
I don't care what people eat, and I don't care if you are a cannibal who snacks on your best friend's legs for breakfast or the world's most popular vegan. Each to their own.
Hey, thanks for this! I'm so sick of vegans/vegetarians trying to "convert" me. It's like their diet is their religion, and as soon as they take it up they feel the need to spread their gospel (sometimes forcefully, as I have experienced). I'm a political leftist, and most of the people I go to rallies with are vegetarian/vegan, and they act as if what they eat has something to do with their philosophies on whatever. I'm so sick of it.
" Christian Science: if you die, it's not because disease doesn't give a fuck how you pray, and Christian Science is dead wrong, it's because you didn't believe enough."
this is totally wrong, if someone claims they are christian and says someone died cuz they didn't believe enough, then they are not christian
Wow you're a hateful person. Did a vegan molest you as a child?
To make the claim that vegans/vegetarians don't eat meat because it makes them feel superior to you is as ignorant as saying niggers are all bastard thieves and rednecks fuck their mothers isn't it? Its not ok to HATE anyone. Ever heard of "love thy enemy"? Not that vegans are your enemy, anyway, but I think we can agree you should love more than your enemy. :-)
Also it isn't vegetarians/vegans that make their vegetables taste like meat. Its you meat eaters that make your meat taste like plants! You COOK it and SEASON it with PLANTS. True carnivores love blood, guts, intestines... mmmm. But now a plain steak is just so plain isn't it?
So think again. Biologically we are primarily herbivores, like our primate relatives. If you disagree prove it: consume a whole chicken, raw, with nothing more than your hands. Oh wait, that's right, you don't have a natural way to eat meat... you have to invent the knife first... oh yeah and you'll probably get sick from eating a raw animal without washing it and cooking it. You might even die.
But the apple I ate for breakfast didn't kill me, and one a day will keep my doctor at bay. I have massive muscles and weigh 215 pounds at 6 feet tall (beans were the food of the Roman gladiators). I'm intelligent and working on a college degree. I have a great sex life, and I show the same compassion I show animals to my human friends... most of whom eat meat and never hear me lecture them. I don't think that makes me morally superior to you.
I do, however, think it makes me a little more open minded. If the evidence pointed to humans requiring a meat diet I'd eat meat. However, all evidence points to our consumption of animal products as the leading cause for heart disease due to the cholesterol content that your average cat has absolutely no problem with because they are true carnivores. Not to mention meat consumption causes the suffering of those animals factory raised as our food, and contributes more greenhouse gases than our automobiles.
But by all means, HATE me...
Holy shit, some of you people are insane. Why all the hate!?
I really don't understand why anyone would hate someone for making an individual choice like being vegan. It's not like people go vegan because they want to provoke carnivores. I'm vegan and I've never preached to anyone or tried to "convert" them. I truly don't see the need for this us-them mentality. This isn't a war, people. It's simply using free will - just like carnivores are doing by choosing to eat meat.
Oh, and the whole "eating vegetables is also murder" is bull. How - PLEASE someone tell me how - a vegetable or fruit would EVER feel pain, when the things don't have a nerveuos system? Doesn't make any sense now, does it?
Joseph, loved your post btw.
And Gorilla eats, I think it's sad to use up all your energy on hating someone for something like this. You must live a pretty miserable life.
I meant gorilla bob, my bad.
Good post
I have a few major gripes with American food foibles as well.
1. A large majority of the lowest income bracket of this country is obese. Why because all they can afford to eat is crap, cooked in crap with crap on it - that in itself is ridiculous - in every other country poor people are starving to death and in ours we are killing them with heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure and who knows what else but that said let's talk about...
2...the elitist assholes you already mention. Most people around the world can't afford rice - a burger with a nice bun would be heaven to many starving folks in much poorer countries but we turn our noses up at meat due to cruelty to animals? One big potato could feed a family of three but we poo poo it if it's not organic? Are we serious? And also - why do we always here about chickens and cows but not say, shrimp or escargot or clams - are these not animals that feel pain? Hell clams we eat while they are practically still alive - why aren't there any clams in PETA ads! Here's what I'd like to do - go to the hungriest country in the world, find some distended stomach, ribs protruding, flies crawling up the nose kid like in the UNICEF ads and tell them that we throw away large quantities of government subsidized food, won't eat meat because it's mean, won't eat vegetables or grains unless they are three times the price and claim to be organic and we have diseases where people just don't eat on purpose, and the poorest people in our nation are the biggest lard asses - ask that son of a bitch how he feels about macrobiotics, organics, vegans etc.
I'll never understand why omnis get so butthurt over us not eating meat
Dearest Amy
If you kept to yourselves and stopped being whiny preachy little shits we'd live and let live but you people have to cultify your ridiculous unproven theories as to how people should eat to the point where it's become a multi-billion dollar industry. Furthermore you contribute to the nanny state we already live in when our politicians buy into your poulist shit - go ahead and over spend on food and never get vital protein that your body has evolved to need from animals we adapted our minds to hunt and our bodies to process. Veganism killed a baby in NY http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2007/05/10655/
The ignorant parents bought into your bullshit and killed a child that never had a say in the matter - we are not designed to eat the way you people eat. It's not the "man" saying this, it's our own bodies. So when a marketing campaign - word of mouth or not - springs up regarding the "benefits"of your little diet cult it pisses the rest off that see through the bullshit. I hope you are happy eating over-priced, never readily available foods that you have to spend 3 times as long preparing because you have to check every ingredient. Just stop preaching about it. Your right the more of you morons that are around the less people will eat animals - demand will drop and my pork chop will be half the price - please go ahead and starve yourself - mmmmmmm can you smell the bacon? I can Amy. The worst of it you animal rights jack asses. Why doesn't asparagus have rights? How do you know what it's going through when you steam it - it IS a living thing isn't it?
I love the first comment by sarah. I write a vegetarian column for Examiner.com's San Diego edition. Yesterday, I wrote an article about vegetarians and vegans and the moral dilemma about being either one of them. Wow, did the vegans tear me a new one! Check out my article here: http://www.examiner.com/x-4210-San-Diego-Vegetarian-Examiner~y2009m6d13-Vegetarian-vs-vegan-the-moral-dilemma
While I agree with you about the extremism (and stupidity) of veganism, food allergies to certain foods do exist - it's not something that's made up. I have severe eczema and until i detoxed and ate more fresh vegetables and fruits and then eliminated certain foods from my diet (cow's dairy, soy and gluten) I continued to suffer with this unsightly disease. Over the ten years I've had eczema d the ermatologists really couldn't help me so I had to help myself and that started with my diet.
However I didn't have to become a vegetarian or vegan to get my health back.
Recently, a cousin of mine came up with a "why vegan? boycott cruelty!"
pamphlet. When I looked through it I saw many pictures of pigs and cows living in "unexceptional cruelty!"
What these vegans don't realize that these cows and pigs are ANIMALS. So what? We get attracted to dogs and cats(i have 1 dog and cat). But they're still ANIMALS. They have no theoretical "feelings"(love,hate ECT.) Besides. These animals have been bred for food. Even animals have feelings. Do you think they'd be developed by now?
Enjoy your tofu and fake turkey dinners!!!
posts like these always really surprise me. i definitely believe that a lot of omnivores make-fun-of vegans and question everything that vegans to in order to make them feel better about their own actions. but you do not have to. you don't have to ridicule how a vegan thinks just so you can justify how you feel. omnivores are the majority. vegans are not trying to take over your life and control you. and if you happen to feel that a vegan individual has preached to you about veganism, don't be so ignorant about it. don't think that they speak for all vegans. don't think that they are the same as every other vegan out there.
veganism can be a political, religious, health, environmental, or compassionate choice. its done for different reasons, so don't treat all vegans the same.
also, stop hating on fake meat. you eat meat because you love the way it tastes. people don't eat meat because they love how horribly the animal was treated prior, people don't eat meat because they love to think about killing animals in slaughter houses. people eat meat because our tastes buds crave it and we naturally like the way it tastes. thats why there is fake meat. because it tastes good. and people like eating food that tastes good. dude.. DUH! don't be so close-minded about the entire situation.
let vegans eat the way they want. making fun of people is so immature, prejudice, and come on its just plain rude.
maybe some of you have a reason to hate someone who happens to vegan, but no one can ever have a legit reason to hate the entire concept of veganism.
What a great post!
I have nothing against vegetarians...I completely understand why someone would object to eating meat. I've been an on and off vegetarian for years. But I always tend to go back to meat because of the protein and the fact that I hate tofu. But I digres...
My problem IS with vegans.
Pretentious! Annoying! No one likes you!
Who the fuck cares about a bee????
If I could personally kill every single bee on the planet I would.
I hate vegans...they are so holier-than-thou because they don't eat bread. Wow. Get off your high horse!
Maybe if you're "allergic to gluten" or something like that, then you can go be a freak and I won't hate you.
But for all you vegans who 'choose' just to eat veggies and fruit forever...ugh....STOP preaching about it and seriously get some protein supplements because you always look malnourished.
It's like you HAVE to rebel against society and try to fit yourself into a little niche with other weirdos so you can hate on people that eat cheese and don't wear things made of HEMP.
It is mind boggling. Vegans are extremists...in my mind, they are like anorexic people.: Brainwashed, always hungry, and full of attitude towards people that don't believe what they do.
Everyone out there, carnivores, vegans, douchebags, whomever, should read The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollen. It is a great book about where your food comes from, and actually makes a solid argument on the economical, physical, and social benefits of eating meat...or at least, not being Vegan.
Aren't you lecturing too? How do you know the main reason is to be superior? I think it's meant to be tongue in cheek but I have to say I'm astonished at the level of VENOM in this article - such a grand display of BIGOTRY from the majority of the people commenting here. I suppose humans have to find someone different they can attack because they are running out of people. Can't attack blacks or people of other nationalities or gays hmmm who can we pick on now? How boring this blog is - another rant based on anecdotal evidence based on a small sample - think I'll go and read something based on real evidence.
Hate is such a strong word - do vegans hate meat eaters too do they? It seems that there are some way too sensitive people that need to harden the fuck up if they can't take a little discussion that might challenge their choices in life. Perhaps it's guilt about destroying the planet underlying this. I just don't get that hate is the emotion required. Hate is usually used for people who do terrible things - well at least that is what I thought and if they think that people making lifestyle choices challenges them I have grave concerns for their mental wellbeing - holding onto so much hostility. And summing people up based on one label - how narrow minded. I'm so glad all meat eaters aren't the same as most people commenting here. But having fun attacking people with a label seems to be soooo much fun. Why don't you join the Klu Klux Klan - think there are enough people to justify one that focusses on killing vegans.
I was in Africa last month and there was a vegan in the walking safari camp. Can you imagine that? A vegan in the carnivore's kingdom. She got her special food 3x a day. Compared to the delicious impala, springbuck and sausages the rest of us enjoyed, the vegan food looked really unappetizing. Fake meat, tofu dogs etc. Gross. This girl was skinny and pallid with bad skin and bad teeth. She was still pale white after five days' walking in the African sun.
I just don't get the point of veganism. You're just following a stupid little rule: don't put any dead animals into your mouth. And vegan food sucks. I really wonder what the Africans who had to cook the extra special vegan meal 3x a day thought about that foolishness. And I wonder whether the vegan girl tipped the staff for the extra work she made them do every meal time. She really looked like she could have used an ostrich burger or two.
Really 'C'? You would personally kill every single bee on the planet?
http://www.america.gov/st/env-english/2008/October/20081027173449adkcilerog0.1303217.html
We need bees for food. Without them, the plants that we eat (and feed to farmed animals) could not thrive, and even here in the heart of excess, we would starve.
Why can't everyone just do their own research and make informed decisions, instead of relying on second hand information they've heard from friends and various unreliable sources? I strongly encourage everyone to make their own choices- but make sure they are informed choices.
Making statements like, "I'd kill every bee if I could" is illogical, counterproductive, and ignorant. Take care to have the research to back up your claims.
If you don't, it's no wonder that you think so many people are 'pretentious elitists'
I think this post comes from ignorance-- It's not okay to HATE anyone regardless of how their life choices disagree with your ideals unless you are personally offended by their choices. Also, not all vegans try to shove their beliefs down others' throats. It's a personal lifestyle choice, not a reason to feel superior. While some forget this, most vegans are actually very respectful about the omnivorous eating patterns of others. The reason that people tend to associate vegans with preachiness is because the majority of vegans are not upfront about being vegan unless asked. It's not seen as a matter of discussion unless they are asked. Of course the type of self-congratulatory vegans who shout about how superior they are to everyone else are annoying, but this group is a small minority.
I'm not arguing for or against veganism, I'm jus asking you all to consider where this strong hatred comes from. Is it righteous outrage or simply ignorance?
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